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[Kaelthir]

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[Teh Glouris Lrod Kujabis]

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[Cal Hurst]

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Platemail wasn't common in medieval combat, no. But this isn't the medieval era. This is a fantasy setting with medieval ideas put into it. Most platemail that is worn on the chest and legs in UO has 100% lower requirements mod on it. Which means that the platemail has been magically altered to be extremely light, yet still durable enough to withstand blows.

Hard to wrap our minds around it, yeah. But it's no more viable than recalling from one location to another, or throwing a fireball at someone.
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[Mairsil]

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To make it viable to wear plate and bone armor? That would be fantastic. But ultimately its going to be abused as well. So it seems to me the best option here would be to take the idea here and keep working with it to try and tweak it a bit more in depth.

Basically there are two sides to this:

On the one hand...Role players will use it to craft the armor most fitting to their character and wear that, thus greatly benefitting us. Deadies can wear bone armor thats good, warriors can wear metal again, mages can wear whatever best fits there character, so on and so forth.

On the other..

a) Mages start wearing full metal armor regularly (Certainly it isn't hard for an entire army to go on down to the local smith and craft up an entire suit of invincible plate mail with absolutely no restrictions. Magic after all)

b) Plate mail and leather armor are both fantastic and meddable and are practically the same now, so we toss role play considerations out the window and wear a hodge podge of metal and leather to get those exact resists and mods we want. *And No it would not be the same as an
'archer suit' *

The idea has great potential for good, and great potential to be abused. Ultimately again I am not entirely against the idea, but I hold that it isn't a magic fix and will create as many problems as it solves. Would it be harder to make some sort of addition that creates bonuses or penalties to more so ballance the system? Sure, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. We've seen major over hauls before.
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"You see I can not be forsaken, because I'm not the only one. We walk amongst you, beating, r#ping, must we hide from everyone?" - Jon Davis

[Cal Hurst]

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There is no reason why leather shouldn't be as strong or as durable as plate. This is a magic world. Such things can happen.

We roleplay in a fantasy world. A world not of our own. In our world, one would be considered insane to believe that leather offers the same protection as platemail. But we do not roleplay Earth. We roleplay Ultima Online, where leather armor IS as strong as metal armor, and offers the same, if not better protection at times. It's fact. Should it be that way? No. But there's no ignoring it. There exists leather armor that offers better protection than metal armor.

And if this change goes in, I don't understand why everyone thinks all of a sudden every mage and their mother will be in full platemail. It won't happen. Sure, some might find themselves in full plate. Hell, some already do! But why does that even matter? If they feel that it is within their character to wear full plate, then let them. The environment that we roleplay in has become so advanced magically, that anything is possible.

It all comes down to character choice. And I've said it once, and I'll say it again. We would do better, as a community, to worry about our own characters, and not everyone else's characters. Meaning, that if Sally Jo wants her mage to wear full metal armor, so be it. Make fun of her IC if you want. Admire her IC if you want. But it is HER choice to do so. And any reactions of distaste should be IC. And arguments of "metal offers better protection than leather," once again, are true in the real world. Not in Ultima. Not anymore.
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[Mave Gerhart]

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I think that this would be an awesome idea and from reading over this thread, I think that most people's arguments are kind of missing the main point. This would change nothing at all as far as how strong suits of armor are, merely what they look like. You would be able to customize more towards what your character would wear and less towards whether or not each piece was medable. This is simply a matter of having more choices for your character, and that is never a bad thing in an RP world. Heck, half of what we do as an RP community happens outside of the confines of the game, we play races not in the game, wield magics that must be RPed out because the spells are not in the game, etc. Anytime something can be changed ingame where more customization is allowed through game mechanics, I'm all for it.
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"If you have to explain why it makes RP sense, then odds are it doesn't" -Leshok (or his DM)

[01:48] Deathwisp: well I always rub the fuzzy part before I pull it off
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[Teh Glouris Lrod Kujabis]

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I agree with your points Mairsil, especially about the 'hodge podge assortment of different types of armor for the best resists' bit... But thing is, people do that already. Basically, this idea is nothing new at all, nothing that isn't already done, it just makes things easier. In fact, if anything, it would cut down on hodge podge random armor suits, because generally when people wear say, a platemail tunic with full leather, its because they 'just can't give up the mods on the platemail tunic'.

With this idea however, you can craft a suit of mage armor platemail to go with it, instead of mix-n'-match style equipping because its just plain impossible to set up a suit of full mage plate to go with it (I was insane enough to do it with samurai platemail, but it took EXTREME luck and a lot of arties that were mage armor already to fill in).

[Tai Kwan Leap]

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I will throw my two cents worth in ... (by the way when someone offers you a penny for your thoughts, why do you always give your 2 cents worth?)

I personally think that there should be like Cear said .. deeds to buy to change your armor piece into a type you would want to wear.

As stupid as many seem to think the Samurai Helm looks, I would gladly buy a deed to turn my Mace and Shield glasses into a sam helm for Tai.

Same goes for his Heart of the Lion and Royal Leggings of Ember he wears. I would make the chest piece a do, and the non skirt looking leg pc of samurai armor. The same is true of my arms. I would make them Hiro Sode.

However I will say this.

If anyone is spending their time looking at what an rper wears and defining his or her impression by the equipment and not actual in game actions, then you are missing the point.

You know if we spent less time concerned with whether you like the color scheme or armor types of each other and paid more attention to what each are saying, emoting or rping ... I could be crazy, but that might solve some issuses.


I think any crafted armor that is exceptional should be mage armor. Samurai (although we know they are the L33t) should not be the only ones to be able to med in their armor.
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[Rags]

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I don't tend to post alot, but how is more options for costume custimization BAD for a rp community? Shouldn't this be the type of thing that we want? Who cares if the non-rpers wear mismatched gear? RP guilds will enforce certain standards like they always have (Like Sanctus not allowing any of their characters to have necromancy, etc...) If you don't think the community can handle those "options" your opinion of the community isn't very high.

In my mind more options = good.

[Mairsil]

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Kuja, that makes alot of sense, but in part I think this is what bothers me:

[Cal Hurst]

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In DnD, it depends on the DM and the setting you use as to how much magic is around in the area. In this specific scenario, Ultima, magic has become rampant to a sickening degree. I don't like it, but it is an unfortunate truth. Especially when Blackrock was so readily available as it was. The most powerful reagent/material in the entire world, and everyone was filling their houses up with it.

As for the quality of roleplay standards in general, I believe we should worry about the quality of their roleplay, and not what they wear. And I stand by this idea 110%. I've met many a good roleplayers who wore stuff that wasn't exactly matching. And I've met many a poor roleplayers who wore stuff that looked excellent. Judging someone's roleplay by their appearance does not place the fault in the person being judged, but the person doing the judging.
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[Teh Glouris Lrod Kujabis]

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[Arcana]

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[Ceinwyn ab'Arawn]

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These problems would all be solved if they just made Cear and I Seers.

[Teh Glouris Lrod Kujabis]

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