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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:09 pm Post subject: Speechless Reply with quote

Now I'm a grown ass man who served my time for Uncle Sam and i cried my eyes out when i read this
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/14/school-shooting-connecticut/1769367/
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:47 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

It was really hard to keep my composure and not cry while at work, though I wanted to so bad. My heart hurt. Naturally when I came home, I gave my cousin a big hug. I've never been so relieved to just see all three of their smiling faces. It's something I won't be taking for granted any time soon.

I heard about this story today as well. Same age group, what the heck is wrong with people, honestly?


http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/12/14/china-knife-attack-school.html

My heart and condolences go out to the families
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:09 am Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a war on our children and I for one am sick of it. Innocence is under fire. Children are killing and being killed. Come on Parents PAY ATTENTION!!!!
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:46 am Post subject: Reply with quote

This will be one of those events where we will always remember where we were when we heard. And I agree with Alena, this is something to get angry over.. This should not be happening. My youngest is Kindergarten. I hugged her.. and the oldest.. as soon as I possibly could. Natural order is the parent goes first... there was nothing natural about this.. it was disgusting.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:33 am Post subject: Reply with quote

Lets create jobs and put a trained police officer in EVERY school . That police officer can also give training to the school staff on what to look for and be aware of. It's come down to having to have drills for an armed maniac in the school . Some would say the drills would scare the kids, but I would rather my kid be scared then shot.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:45 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Cat I agree that drills would be good to have a (god help us) a procedure for such events. I just worry that we will become jaded. Look at fire drills and in my case as I am in California, earthquake drills. We practiced and practiced and more than once they told us "oh, get on with your lesson,you'll be fine when the actual fires and quakes happened.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:20 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe its because I am from an urban area but I was under the impression that most if not all schools have police officers there. I know for a fact that Virginia tech would have had several, as most college campuses have about as many police officers as small towns, and Columbine most likely had at least one or two. There are rapes, murders etc at schools with police officers all the time ( someone on my football team in high school r a p e d a few girls before they stopped him actually). I am fairly convinced that this idea would be more of a mental reassurance thing than anything else. Moreover, putting more police officers at schools would probably not have drastically changed what happened. The person would go in and shoot a bunch of people, and then maybe the police officer might get lucky and shoot them( it is really unlikely). Also they tend to go a bit overboard sometimes and might have actually shot the children as well, or not have risked shooting the man because of the risk. In N.Y. a few months ago for instance, a man killed his boss in the street and the police shot him 70 some times, accidentally shooting like 6 pedestrians in the process.

A far as the drills go, at my schools we had them. lock the door, put paper etc in the door's window and then crouch down against the walls out of sight from the windows or pull blinds down if you have them when the intercom says there is an unidentified intruder etc. We had to do it regularly, and had a few intruders that made us sit in that position forever : - ( . I have no idea how effective it would have been though.

From my understanding, these mass killings are largely the result of two things: lack of funding to mental health facilities due to tax breaks and budget cuts etc, and our ridiculously lax gun control laws (I don't really want to politicize this but..):

A few years ago the son of one of my dad's clients (he is a defense attorney and was representing the parents for some small thing or another) went on a shooting spree at a police precinct and killed 3-4 police officers before they shot him a hundred times or so. He believed the police were evil invading aliens and that he would be a hero or something ( police then went through some hoops to frame his parents for some random stuff like smoking pot and leaving guns out(they didn't and were moved as picture evidence proved) as some sort of revenge for some reason). He had previously tried to seek help multiple times by voluntarily admitting himself to several public mental health institutions but was turned away because the d.c. metro area and surrounding areas, as I suspect is the case with most places atm, only had enough beds for people deemed immediately (within 48 hours) at risk of harming (killing) either themselves or someone else.

I'm not going to post a gun control argument, because there are a lot of people really emotionally hurt anytime you ask for tougher gun control laws despite a ton of evidence that I could spew out. I doubt hearing the statistics etc. would sway any opinions anyway. And turning this board post into a political argument would be pretty lame. At any rate I think gun control would significantly reduce crap like this. i.e. someone did the same thing in china yesterday but only had a knife and so didn't kill anyone.

I apologize for the rant, but I am also very tired of this type of tragedy happening every 3 months or so and if not for the grip of the NRA lobby and federal and state budget cuts,I think that this crap wouldn't happen even remotely as often or as effectively. So please hold the poorly reasoned "but its 'Murica, we can't lose to none of them criminals", " If we have gun control only criminals will have weapons. It is a slippery slope!", " taxes are bad , if they wanted help enough they could have hired people to privately take care of him . And if he was too poor to pay for mental help, he probably shouldn't have bought semi-automatic military grade weapons anyway" or the "How dare you rationalize a tragedy so soon young man!" speeches. Also I don't have anything against police officers but I get that the post might give that impression.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:34 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

I am so sick of everytime this happens it becomes a gun control issue. Read the following link http://ministerfortson.com/?tag=mass-knifing-in-china
so whats after gun control? you going to start taking away Knifes of honest people. As they say Outlaws will get guns one way or another, I perfer to have mine to fend off such people. had a teacher or two had carry rights alot of the deaths might have been prevented. My heart going out to the famlies that has suffered such a horriable lost.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:28 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't really want to get into this here to be honest. But just the fact that you referenced the slippery slope fallacy is enough to discredit you in my eyes.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:20 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Nor do i want to get into it here but the fact is your statement in whole discredits you. The fact in the statement i made has facts to back it. There are 314,395,013 people in the us at last census count with a gun count of over 200,000,000 all i can say is good luck with your dreams of gun control.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:54 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Meh screw it. Sorry everyone for derailing what should have been a somber thread : - (
I should have known that some idiot would bite when I mentioned that I think gun control regulations played a part in this. I tried to be polite about my opinions though : (
You started it and I am kind of annoyed now *sticks out his tongue*. Also I don't mean to personally attack you Cherokee but your response was.. soo.. bad.. I feel that there is a reason that every time someone who is crazy gets a gun and goes on a shooting spree that gun control comes up. I would think that is should be fairly obvious. Anyway, I know that this won't change anyone's opinion, but to pretend that mine is at least not legitimate and then to rebuke it with a horribly flawed argument is lame.
( be warned! incoming rant : -( Sorry again to anybody reading this)

(here's a link if you watch fox news or mr. rapture's website, and for some reason do not understand what a logical fallacy is, and believe the slippery slope to be something real. http://www.fallacyfiles.org/slipslop.html). I have absolutely no idea what you think is wrong about my statement but w.e your explanation was lacking. I cannot really respond to an argument you say is false because it is false. I have no idea what about it you were even attacking or on what grounds.
In the future, I would appreciate it if you didn't link to something as biased as your favorite minister's little bible thumper website lol. Somehow I am not surprised it is your source of information though. Wow-ee!, it is advertising the only Anti Serpent Seed book in circulation, as well as the real TRUTH about what the rapture will be like! Now that screams legitimate argument *chortles with laughter*.
Jokes aside, here is a brief list of a few reasons why I think there should be a real debate about ramping up gun control:


-Murder rates in America are 5 times higher than in England(who has banned guns, and is btw not shy on crime) - this is similar in japan, china etc.
The idea that criminals can easily get guns in places where they are illegal is basically myth unless they share a border with somewhere that does have them available.
-you are 19 times more likely to use a gun to commit a crime or hurt someone than to defend yourself. (basically the idea that you will defend yourself with a gun is rarely accurate. You are more likely to misuse it and have it taken from you in a crisis, or to hurt someone with it.)
-places with strict gun control laws, i.e. Nordic countries (despite having 35-ish percent of the population that own guns) have very low crime rates with said guns.
-suicides are roughly 20-30 percent more successful with the use of guns.
- there have been 50k some murders in the current drug wars in mexico and something like 90 percent of the guns were purchased legally from gun shows in the U.S. near the border.
- it is far harder to commit a spur of the moment, drive by, or mass murder without access to the use of a gun.)
- the second amendment is both outdated and being misused by gun advocates ( the meaning was such that people had the right to rise up against an unjust government)

The fact that People want less regulation on guns and then claim innocence when that lack of regulations ends up allowing for something like this happening is sickening to me personally. And I place much of the blame for these acts on those who lobby for this. You know that this would not have happened if he did not have access to a gun. PERIOD. Ergo, the gun control laws that allowed someone like this to have a gun are flawed.
The fact that you wish to be selfish about the issue is fine, but be honest about it. Say for instance, " I like guns, and if a few kids die when a psychopath or criminal uses them, then that is the cost we will have to pay for my freedom to own pointless weapons with weak restrictions on how I can get them". Especially when you go on to say how your heart goes out to them ( just not enough to give up yer good ole' rocket launcher(a joke)). Lying to yourself and saying, " if only we were all packing, then the world would be full of rainbows, and that everyone would be too scared to murder people", is just a laughable nra soundbite. That gun control regulations are viewed as some holy and unassailable thing is beyond me.

Statistics over whether strict gun controls are good, or whether an all out ban would be good are obviously debatable, and I am clearly on one side. I think that it is a debate worth having, and that there needs to be a happy medium. I don't think anyone wants to take away your guns and hunting rifles. I do not however like poorly reasoned arguments that the nra and other groups tend to put out there. I think that people shouldn't have semi or fully automatic weapons and so on(outside of firing ranges or other controlled places) simply because they enjoy firing them. I think this because the cost for this is simply too high for me. You can think differently, but do not criticize me for bringing the issue up as there is legitimate cause for it. Gun control advocates don't try to USE tragedies. The silly rhetoric claiming they do, makes it almost impossible to have a conversation, lest we somehow lessen the memory of this oh so sacred tragedy for political purposes. I say this because instead of being sick about people pushing gun control every time a supposedly unavoidable tragedy occurs (unless everyone has ar-15's strapped to their backs of course!) I am sick of these tragedies happening in the first place. And whether or not the laws will or will not change at all has absolutely no bearing at all on whether lax gun control laws have some responsibility in issues such as this.

Also I understand this is just a random board on the internet, but people might take you or your point of view more seriously if you take the time to spell simple words out correctly. I had more than a little bit of trouble understanding you, especially as I am assuming you are probably one of the people that feels that immigrants should be required to learn proper English if they come to this country and talk to you.

Thanks. : )

--Phew I feel better now.

Edit: Wait, you really want teachers of small children to have handguns in the classroom!? Yes, absolutely nothing could go wrong with that. Jesus, I am not sure why I even responded to you anymore : - (
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:22 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

I was on the bus coming home from work. I went on yahoo (on my phone) where I noticed an article. I read it with tears streaming down my face unable to believe what I was reading. I came home and cried and prayed with my family for all those that lost their precious lives old and young and the brave teachers that saved the children that lived, for the parents and other family members that are walking though the pain of loss whether personal or even in my own home and others that are having to explain this to the children who hear about what happened. All politics and personal grevances aside please pray for those who are suffering.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:54 am Post subject: Reply with quote

place a candle outside your UO home on your steps to help remember those who have passed and to remind yourself to pray everynight for the parents and families to find peace.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:43 am Post subject: Reply with quote

I was working and I started to hear it from my other co-workers on what happened. It's the worse feeling it's just two towns over from where I was. Practically in my backyard.
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Praying that those left behind get through the pain somehow..... May everyone personally affected find comfort in their heart & the drive to carry on. beyond that, speechless, as Gnarl titled this.
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