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Morio_Kitsune
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:26 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

When finished my template will be...

120 archery
120 tactics
120 ninja
120 anatomy
120 healing
110 med

Stats stands at:

Strength 100
Dex 100
Intell 100
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 1:31 am Post subject: Reply with quote

120 ninja is nice. Unfortunately death strike won't do much for you Sad
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:56 am Post subject: Reply with quote

I really only use mirror and animal form, mirror is handy in a fight, I some times use cat form in pvp... but it really is a rp aid for me, mind you Kitsune form has saved my bacon in fel, the old monty python tactic..... run away!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:24 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Focus Strike is also fun to mess with people. "wtf, how did you get 84 fireball on a weapon?!"
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:31 am Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an archer template that most discount as not effective for one reason or another but i have found it to be very effective at both PvP and PvM.

Mind you this is not a cheap template, it requires balance bows and a ecru cetrine ring, a good bracelet as well as a set of arms and a gorget with some good stats to be truly effective.

*also keep in mind this is a 700 build as my account is only 6mo old.

Archery 120
Tactics 120
Anatomy 120
Healing 115
Resisting Spells 100
Meditation 70
Chiv 55
*Do the spellweaving quest to allow you to use Attunement and Gift of Renewal

This template is a potion chugger, the ecru gives it a +50 enhance potion and with the use of the fey leggins, folded steele reading glasses, a quiver of infinity and with some DCI and HCI on the jewelry can have 30 HCI (before the bows) and at least 45 DCI. And with stormgrips and some Damage on your jewelry can also easily have 100% Damage Increase.

Oh, and as always to be an archer you need to be legendary in running!

Update: and if you want to take it to fel the ability to throw explosion pots and conflags can be very effective.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon Strathmore and I have been rocking Alchy/archer templates for over a year and a half and they are astounding at pvp, but I wouldn't bother with explos/conflags without Alchemy. Other than quick distractions maybe.

And GOOD balanced bows are expensive as b@lls.

Amazing tempalte though if you know what you are doing.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:28 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Alchy Builds add incredibly unexpected utility and damage. Those firefields themselves are crazy, even without Alchy. With, though, I can only imagine.

Alchy templates are also kind of expensive. But if you have the money, and want to do something extremely fun, definitely look into it.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 4:03 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

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but I wouldn't bother with explos/conflags without Alchemy. Other than quick distractions maybe.


I agree loosing the 30% enhance potion from not having alchamy does take from the explos/conflags, i mainly use my conflag as a distraction or to reveal the stealther you know is near by. And you know when you almost have beaten you foe, and he just has a sliver of life left? the explos is a classic way to finish them off.

I also use an alchy archer template on an alt and i have been trying to determine which i like better with or without alchy, and so far the template without alchamy produces more damage with the bows and has a much higher mana regin than my alchy.

But for those interested below is the alchy archer template i am using and again keep in mind it is a 700 build. Also, this is not my template this template came to me from Makenzie of The Giovanni Merchant Family.

Alchamy 100
Archery 120
Tactics 110
Bushido 100
Anatomy 90
Healing 90
Resisting Spells 90

Bushido gives you Confidence which is great to use when you have been given a mortal shot and the lightning strike is cheaper on mana than an AI.

And in my opinion with both templates Dex nees to be high enough that a buff will bring it to max and then try to find that balance between strength and intel, mana is always a means to a victory, who every can throw more specials will usually win the fight. But you need the stregth to carry all the potions and do damage.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 2:05 am Post subject: Reply with quote

Dragothein is the following :

Mind you I actually HEAVILY rp BEING an alchemist, in the zog cabal and in public. I beg that anyone that does a similar template also rps being an alchy and doesnt just use it.


Archery 120
Tactics 120
Anat 115
Heal 100
Alch 100
Ninja 105
Focus 50


Not a whole lot of mana, and the ninja could also be higher but it works AMAZINGLY well for me.

Essentially -
Max Ep
Max Dam inc
Max Hci
High Hld
Balanced bow with SSI
Armor with decent stat bonuses

With pots I can chug up so that I am in the area of 125/150 str and Dex with still decently high mana.

Ninja primarily for Dp. Mirror/animal form running is nice too. Also kind of an rp aid for the char.

Explos and conflags rock worlds.

As I said, not much mana, but with as much damage as you do with archery already and with the incredible pot damage and DP, all you really need is enough for the concussions and/or the occasional mortal or ninja spell.

I could of gone bushido but did not as Healing + good bandage speed + EP maxed out alchy pots is pretty damn good.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 2:58 am Post subject: Reply with quote

Jonathan Strathmore is, as stands...

120 Archery
120 Tactics
120 Anatomy
100 Alchemy
100 Wrestling
90 Healing
60 Focus

Totaling 710

Stats
100 Str
150 Dex
58 Int

Roughly 134 Str with a potion
and 70 mana total from increases on suit.

I also heavily rp the aspect of him being an alchemist as, in coordination with his rp, he's a sort of mad scientist type, and a surgeon.

so Alchemy was only natural.

I have his EP DI and HCI maxed out. Mana regen is on the lower side, 5, and LMC is only 20. But I've never had a mana problem on the character. If you time your bow specials right, there's really no way you can run out of mana. Especially if you are utalizing potions for damage effectively.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 2:12 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Is your suit fully meddable? Focus was never really well liked on the grand scale. But if you are using non-med pieces, then it's obviously the only option.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 5:24 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Vaen Swiftar wrote:
Is your suit fully meddable? Focus was never really well liked on the grand scale. But if you are using non-med pieces, then it's obviously the only option.


I hate focus, but I have seen no way around bane and Jackals for now. I really wish they would just make everything medable. And despite having refresh pots, the small boost to stamina regen is nice, though not very noticeable.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 5:58 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Same.

I hate focus but..Neccessary evil for the moment.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:22 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

right i have done some tweaking to my set up, and this is what i have got

skills,
archery 120
tactics 120
ninja 120
anatomy 120
meditation 120
healing 110

stats
100 strength 121 with strength pot
130 dexterity 150 with agility pot
70 intel

suit

Mace and shield reading glasses
Voice of the fallen king
Keeonean's chain mail
Royal leggings of embers
barbed sleeves with 1 mr, night sight, luck 42, 17 7 22 10 8 resists
Stormgrip
Ring of the vile
Bracelet of Health
Lib tails - primer on arms dam removal
Crimson cincture
Quiver of infinity

also use dp stars and darts
Prime weapon is X-Bow - Balanced, HCI 19, SSI 30, DI 40

really i just soak up damage, and if the capped form is too much in human form then i switch to cat for which i believe the hpr is 30 in cat???

The one thing I have noticed is that the amount of damage I can do is on the weak side...
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:27 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

The HP Regen is absolutely insane in cat/dog form. If you stack enough HPR, you can basically ignore active healing all together, aside from the burst heals of potions here or there.

If the amount of damage you are doing is on the weak side, try to focus more on getting a hit spell, a velocity, AND a hit spell area all on the same bow. You'll hit for maybe 6-10 physical with a fast bow, but stack on an extra 10-20 with hit spells, at least.
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