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Dryzzid · Honored Member Joined: 30 Dec 2003 Posts: 1260

Edit: The in-game meeting to discuss ideas and generate input for the new Atlantic Community Center will be on Friday, June 18th, at 7:00PM EST. It will be located at the Trammel Britain Councelor's Hall.

I breezed by the Atlantic EM site and it said that there would be a meeting on June 18th about the new community tower north of Moonglow.

Curious I was, so I investigated. I found this:

The tower is also surrounded by what appears is going to be docks. Its still very rough right now, but looks like it is going to be a grand project.
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Yasamin · Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:59 pm Post subject:

*blinks*
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Cal Hurst · Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:02 pm Post subject:

So one of the original staples to the Atlantic Roleplay Community was relocated, restructured, and redone without any input from the community that allowed the tower itself to flourish? While I understand the sentiment Mesanna is trying to put forth in the reconstruction of the Mage Tower, it was done in a very disrespectful manner, especially to those who were around for the actual Mage Tower. Even more disrespectful to those who made it what it was.

This is akin to revitalizing the Serpent's Cross Tavern, relocating it to Tokuno, and putting Ti***** Ca** in charge of it.
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Yasamin · Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:09 pm Post subject:

Something should have been said, yes. But originally it wasn't going to be rebuilt at all. I did ask on it, and we had been trying to figure a way to commemorate it prior to my handing over the gm. Besides, as Tyranthraxus said, it's still rough and not done and there will be a meeting about it 6/25.

Interesting spot for it though.
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Derium · Visitor Joined: 31 Mar 2010 Posts: 18

Well, a few quick things.

I understand peoples point of view on the Tower, but let me try my best to 'come in peace'.

I'm Derium of LS, and I have been leading a 5 year long quest to have the Mage Towers be once again put into the spotlight as they should be. they are huge parts of our history. And sad to say, most of them are gone now (for one reason or another). I will admit to you I am the one who will be at the Q&A taking your questions. I respect these forums, so I am posting here and now to try and work with this community before things go farther.

Back to the point for a moment. I worked to get the LS Tower 'restored' (it still stands, but no one goes to any tower except for the Baja tram one). And long story short, Mesanna agreed to place a tower in Tram and make it a "community center". I hate calling these towers "Mage Towers" because I feel it takes away from the respect the Fel Towers deserve. We need a name for them, we have just not had the chance to speak to the community and help get a name in place. I am working with both the Ls tower and Atl Tower right now. Even though I pushed for a Tower on Ls, Atl was also chosen for many reasons:
1. Very high population
2. I personally know trusted people there
and the most important reason:
3. Tiffric passing, Atl lost their Tower due to not only a death, but very bad mishandling after that (not putting blame on anyone specific). Other Towers fell due to Ebay sales, or the owners quitting. If any shard has a valid reason to get theirs restored, it's Atlantic... IMHO

I know how much the Atl tower means to people, even to this day. The Eternal Flame of Mages is known all over UO. And before anyone asks, I have NOT tried to get the flame put at the new tower. I felt it would be disrespectful for me to just do that and not put it forth to the community. the Tower belongs to Atlantic, not to me. Can we get it replaced? I think so, but where? that's not up to me to decide. That's up to the people of Atlantic.

Pheonix of Atl has been put in 'charge' of the Atl tower... And I understand most people are like "who the Hell is that guy!?". He is the person I trust the most to oversee the Atlantic Tower, and I myself am behind it as well.

Again, I understand there are some people out there who hate me now because of this, but all I can say is give it a chance. It's being built right now and we want to form a council for the Tower. Once a council is put in place, I am stepping away from the Tower, I feel I have no place in it after that. I only got the ball rolling and am seeing that this massive project keeps on rolling.

Please, direct all hate at me, not Pheonix. This fell into his lap, and he's dedicated a lot of time to this also. He cares deeply, he really does.

Now as for the placement of the Tower, A lot of Mage towers were placed in that exact spot in Fel. So was ours on LS. We looked at the tram spot where the Atlantic tower stood, we can not place it there due to a players house being there. So we went with the spot many other towers stood, for that I'm sorry. I really wish we could have done more for that. And the reason it's in Tram is because we've spent much time looking at it, and most people are not willing to visit a spot in Fel. Now does this mean the memorial Tower on Atlantic, or even a new Mage Tower being place on Atlantic Fel are S.O.L.? No, not at all. The owner of the Fel memorial tower is rather upset at this time, and hasn't gotten back to me as of yet. However, I wish to entwine the Memorial tower (and hopefully a replacement Mage Tower in fel) to this new community center. I feel that's a great thing if we can get it to work. And to repeat this mantra; I'd be out of place making choices for the old Fel Mage Tower. I am trying to be as respectful as I possibly can, and not to hurt people over this project.

Sorry for the wall of text, and sorry if I left things out. Please feel free to ask me anything you wish to.

Again, I'm sorry if you feel I'm way out of line with doing this for Atlantic, I do understand that. I just hope you will give this a chance, and enjoy it once it's 100% turned over to the people of Atlantic.

-Derium of LS

Feel free to contact me, to yell at me even. I would be very grateful if people here could give their input on the Tower, make some suggestions too. Nothing is in set in stone right now. And Since these are community Towers, then the community voice is more than welcome.

Yasamin · Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 11:17 pm Post subject:

I've got one question... Who's Pheonix?
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Cal Hurst · Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 11:23 pm Post subject:

Derium · Visitor Joined: 31 Mar 2010 Posts: 18

"I believe if someone is going to be in charge of a new Mage Tower, or a memorial to the mage tower, then it should be someone who is a community figure, and perhaps had a hand in the Mage Tower years back. Not one of your personal friends."

I believe the same on that. This is NOT a Mage Tower, it was born from the Mage Towers. The Atlantic Memorial Tower already has a VERY dedicated person running it. And We have asked him to come aboard and help us with this, he's refused so far though. I had a hand on the LS Mage Tower, but I'm not trying to throw that around saying that's a solid reason to trust me. If we were talking about LS, then I may say that. But this is Atlantic. I won't keep saying names of people who have been asked thus far to join in creating this, I feel it's not right to throw those names around. But if you want to be part of this, then you're more than welcome to. That's why I am doing a Q&A. People need to understand it, and we need people to be willing to step forward and put a lot of time needed into this. I thought that would help remove some thoughts like you have. I could have very well horded this tower to myself if I wanted to, but I'm doing my best to turn it over to the people of Atlantic.

Cal Hurst · Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 11:34 pm Post subject:

So if it's not the Mage Tower, and it's not a Memorial, but it's inspired by the Mage Tower, then what is it?
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Derium · Visitor Joined: 31 Mar 2010 Posts: 18

Bah, forgot to say this though, and sorry if this comes across mean, I do not want it to.

We had three options at the moment the Atlantic Tower was a go, either A) Pheonix (a perm Atlantic resident willing to bust his ass on this) is the 'front person' for Atlantic. B) I am, or C) the tower never was placed. We opted for A and hoped to have the time to get things arranged, get a council of trusted people together and go from there. However word got out way too fast and a scramble happened. So if you want trusted people that -you- trust, send them my way so we can get them started! That includes yourself also.

Derium · Visitor Joined: 31 Mar 2010 Posts: 18

"So if it's not the Mage Tower, and it's not a Memorial, but it's inspired by the Mage Tower, then what is it?"

As I said, "I worked to get the LS Tower 'restored' (it still stands, but no one goes to any tower except for the Baja tram one). And long story short, Mesanna agreed to place a tower in Tram and make it a "community center". I hate calling these towers "Mage Towers" because I feel it takes away from the respect the Fel Towers deserve. We need a name for them, we have just not had the chance to speak to the community and help get a name in place."

I've been part of the LS Mage Tower for 12 years now, I wanted the Tower restored. The idea of tram came along (look at how much Baja flourished before the internal drama started last year). So we branched off and wanted the Tower to be owned by no one other than Mesanna. It will never collapse and instead of the tower focusing on it's own guild (like the player ran Mage Towers) these will focus on the community as a whole. Sorry I didn't elaborate that.

Cal Hurst · Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 11:38 pm Post subject:

It's unfortunate that the options you were given were: you head it, Phoenix heads it, or it doesn't get done. I have nothing personal against you, but it seems as though the "powers that be" behind this situation weren't too concerned with the history of the Atlantic Mage Tower to offer those options.
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Halister Marner · **Site Programmer** Joined: 05 Oct 2006 Posts: 2232

Derium,

I do understand your purpose with the towers, and obviously there are some merits that will benefit the community with their construction.

However, as was said, the way this was gone about, without consultation of anyone, not even Atlantic's EM's.

To be straightforward, and I think you would agree with me, your overall depth of knowledge of Atlantic's history and understanding of the ebb and flow of Atlantic's community is very low. Not to say this is entirely your fault, but to have you elect a player who is indeed your friend, without realizing some of the many people who have devoted countless hours into assisting Atlantic and its players, is incredibly one sided and unreflective of the community spirit you are trying to foster.

This is obviously a project you are working on with Mesanna, but picking your friend as the leader of this tower, and allowing him to choose his council selectively is truly the exact opposite of what the community stands for. Had I been elected as the leader of this project on Atlantic, and I had picked a council consisting entirely of roleplayers, I wouldn't be shocked if there was a public outcry, it's human nature to want our effort and investment to be recognized, and by doing that I would have been isolating and diminishing all the other active and devoted players on Atlantic.

To help you understand where I'm coming from, let me come up with a situation for you.

You have been petitioning and discussing the creation of a mage tower on Lake Superior for quite some time. Assume you received little to no response back. You login one day and realize a player from Europa suddenly owns a mage tower on Lake Superior and is inviting everyone to join his project. I'm sure you would feel incredibly disappointed and perhaps offended that all your work was overshadowed by the sudden appearance of this fellow.

Essentially that scenario is what happened to us, I have personally, as well as several others, petitioned for Atlantic's tower to be reborn over the past few years without response, even to Mesanna. Having one pop up suddenly with someone elected under the premise of good will is unfortunately something that I view as a slap in the face to all our efforts.

I do appreciate your overall intentions, but the way this was gone about is essentially the opposite of what you are trying to foster with this project. I do hope the meeting to discuss the tower is productive and that community feedback will be taken into account before this is implemented in all the wrong ways.
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Derium · Visitor Joined: 31 Mar 2010 Posts: 18

I know it's nothing personal at all, and I don't take it that way. If I was in your spot I'd say the same things. That's why I'm trying to reach out as much as I can and answer as much as I can.

The first person we tried to contact was the owner of the Fel Memorial tower, however, that went poorly. He won't speak to us, (says many sources). So at this moment the Fel memorial is on hold (from our angle). Trust me, we want to see the Fel Mage Tower respected, and all I can give you is words at this moment. In due time I hope I prove to you I have the best intentions in mind. The best I can offer at this moment is for you to come on aboard and help direct this project if you wish.

I will say I'm sorry for mentioning the owner of the Fel Memorial. I fear it may be taken as slander of sorts. So from this point on, unless I get his permission or he posts here, I shall not speak of it again. Just please know that we with to do anything we can to help him, and to keep the memory alive. But we will not force him to work with us, nor will we attempt to step on this toes so to speak, with things like the Eternal Flame of Mages.

Derium · Visitor Joined: 31 Mar 2010 Posts: 18