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Garrett BL · Adventurer Joined: 27 Oct 2008 Posts: 84

So we had some things go down tonight, probably could have been handled better... But it made me curious... Where I came from in RP if you throw a conflag/EQ/ whatever to reveal a stealther through damage it is considered an act of aggression and pretty much means "game on". What is this shards look on these methods?

Ceinwyn ab'Arawn · Transcendent Spammer Joined: 13 Dec 2004 Posts: 5017

That's generally how I would view it. Act of aggression.

Davaran Skyfire · Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:58 pm Post subject:

They were unvisiable. I mean, setting a room on fire is a bit of a rude move, but you could argue they had no idea you were there I suppose.

Merci d'Rue · Babbling Loony Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 2810

where were they hidden behind things? or was this out in the open.
I would argue if it was inside a building throwing a conflag pot at furniture would be agressive.

However out in the open throwing it is crazy but not agressive. and if there are invisible people standin gin plain view well that would be sorta odd..

Just a thought.
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Bishimi · Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:07 pm Post subject:

well with the situation as it was....the potion hit people that were not hidden also. it was outdoors, and it was them claiming they "knew" there were stealthers about, but to me its bad etiquette. there are plenty of other ways to reveal a stealther then throwing a conflag.

Merci d'Rue · Babbling Loony Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 2810

well yeah thats why I asked the situation further just, you probably already know but stealthers need to be hiding behind something.

However thats not this debate, the debate is was it an act of agression and tho maybe they didnt think it would cause a fight. It definitely warrants one.

Conflags going off are how most fights start lol that I have seen.
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Davaran Skyfire · Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:13 pm Post subject:

C'mon now, if you napalm bomb a forest to kill some scorpions and and you kill Sasquatch, Peta can't scold you for it!

Actually, the entire event seems a bit sketchy. Just wanted to share that.

Merci d'Rue · Babbling Loony Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 2810

however just so you know I dont know who you were dealing with and if they could but, for example, Lycans could smell stealthers.

However if their scent is masked with other people yeah we wouldnt know that there were hidden stealthers. They would also not be able to take a step without us hearing it.

There are a few species that are gifted with this ability. So I guess what I am getting at is it is a case by case basis.
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Bishimi · Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:19 pm Post subject:

Drayden Calamyr · Sage Joined: 23 Feb 2005 Posts: 612

I was part of the group that was tracking your people all over Umbra Bish. We saw a few of your members and they quickly moved away and never attempted to make contact with the group of us 4. We knew that the ninjas were around in numbers and we went home to protect the Drow Quarter. I was laying out reveals and trying to sweep the area, others were detecting hidden.
You can't say that we wouldn't have known. We were being thorough and trying to find you guys we had ample reason to head to the drow quarter and sweep there. Where am I supposed to look? In the bar?

The conflag however, happened when I stepped away to go and get the Boss. I would say that yes a conflag could be considered hostile actions. But finding enemies stealthing around your area all night is pretty hostile given the RP past between BL and Q^A. So we had a good reason to use whatever means necessary to reveal people. The whole agressive thing I understand though.

EDIT: OOPS!

Orgollree'rean · Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:23 am Post subject:

I threw the conflag. The Matron had just said that no ninja's were to be in the quarter in the shadows, so i threw it away from the group to see if any were hidden nearby. Coincidentally there were, they were revealed. I was typing a remark to that effect and was attacked and killed. I have no problems with being attacked, i didnt expect it but thats how it goes.

Bishimi · Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:53 am Post subject:

then i apologize Orgollree'rean but it is a matter of how we have come to understand the rules of engagement on GL...anything that hurts your player means you are attacked. believe me when i say it has been a point of contention on more then one occasion. I understand being thorough, and im not sayin you wouldnt have known let alone assumed....i mean...its a pretty safe assumption that if miko is out we are not far behind. and you are right, givin our history "aggressive" is putting it mildly. when this post was made it was simply a matter of seeing if the rules on this shard would say we were in the wrong. if we were i would have apologized just as quickly as i called for people to attack once we were hit. i did not think it would cause enough discontent to call for a peacing let alone other ooc issues i chose to keep to myself. i think regardless of what happened, it was an IC situation. imo iC situations should be handled icly not via peacings.

Cal Hurst · Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:04 am Post subject:

Depending on which character I am is depending upon how I react.

One character you could punch in the balls and he'd ask why you were doing that.
Another you could fire a spitball at and he'd come at you with fireballs.
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Merci d'Rue · Babbling Loony Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 2810

I can understand that it is a bit different here, people are a bit more cautious. Maybe thats not realistic but we are just careful, we all have members that sometimes do something that comes off a way we didnt intend.

I think genuinely becasue we are rpers we try to rp first sometimes when in real life we would be shooting each other already. Its just on atlantic we have had alot of KOS style attacks but I am not saying that this is anything like it.

Just we are more hesitant we are afraid the other guild will yell foul play..

Reading what you have both posted, honestly I think that you guys both did things that made the other guild feel on edge like it wasnt really a peaceful meeting. Though perhaps how it looked and the reasons you were doing these things werent to be untrusting.

I suggest that this be called an incident. Incidents happen, we must put them behind us and move on and accept that it just didnt all come off well. Or the way we intended. Learn from it and move on.
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Kal'iksix · Guest

Ok this will be my ONLY reply to provide my side of the story.

First off...an IC note was sent via ICQ last week to Bishimi requesting a meeting. Yes Kal had some specific requests but she also stated SHE would go to them. Giving them home field advantage but all she asked was that all attending clan members would to remain visable and unarmed. Now that is a big sign of trust on her part in exchange she was to hand over the drow responsible for the geisha-napping when IC'ly she had no idea had happen.

Next, I was on the computer with my RL son, teaching him some of the game mechanics and how to rp. I was not even the active window on the screen nor the active ICQ. Nalimar had just upgraded my computer and my son's computer is my old parts and is not quite up to par, so I allowed him on my computer. It was not until I saw across guild chat that there was BL at the tavern. I switched accounts and started the rp. Now mind you I had no clue why they were there and still believe a simple "Hey are you busy tonight?" across ICQ would have given me enough of a head's up that something was gonna happen. Not to mention that they were there demanding the drow I had promised them in the note. Ok so they have already disregarded my request to meet them on their territory, but what if I had something else planned this evening? I was in the process of trying to figure out what day I could arrange with Bish to meet in game, looking at my work schedule and the weekend plans. Nonetheless, I was stalling the actual handover until Drayden could switch accounts to get the correct character. Kal asked the empress to have ALL her people become visable to which the reply was that there was none. Of course, given the history between BL and Q^A, Kal did not believe her but as I was typing my response and eventual emmote regarding casting a reveal spell by her mages, one of my guys tossed a conflag pot, SOMETHING I DID NOT ORDER!!!! Yes that was a mistake and the person at fault was reprimanded. But before I could issue an OOC "STOP" in game or get a hold of any BL via ICQ, my guys are laid to waste. OOC I know that BL sees that as aggression but am I wrong to ask for a simple OOC "are you busy?"

Thirdly the other actions that Bish keeps to himself after the slaughter were not of my doing. I was feverishly trying to calm my guys from chasing after BL (which I am sure none of them realized that they would lose again with the stupid faction stat loss) as well as calming my 15 yr old who had just dropped the f-bomb in front of me. He's just learning the game and already is having second doubts about playing. I was reassuring him that he could not have helped until he actually learns to PvP.

Granted after a very detailed exchange between Bishimi and I, it's safe to say our RL relationship is a bit more stronger than an IG one. Apologies were exchanged but I feel other relationships are wounded deeper. Personally though, I feel like I was just crucified upside-down for a mistake that one of my people made when I forgave a similar situation not too long ago, handled it OOCly via ICQ, and never mentioned said incident on the boards. Again that is my own personal feelings with that last sentence and not directed at anyone. I will take the blame when it is truly an error on my part as GM but anything else with regards to specific people of my guild, I feel should be discussed with that person with whom the issue lies.