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Drayden Calamyr · Sage Joined: 23 Feb 2005 Posts: 612

Hey guys. I wanted to let everyone know that I am waiting for ALL of the proposals before getting into the details of voting. I am going to initiate the voter registration drive after the last proposal is posted here and reviewed. This is how it will be done.

Since the voting system should be fair, I am asking each player to register their main character name in game with me, by writing it in a book and submitting it to me. I'll have the registry listing. I'll be posting the times and dates that you will be able to register during. It will be done like the nominations were. Except more IC and controlled.

I know, I know, "why shouldn't every character get a vote?" Simple. Thats not very representative of the community. Since not everyone has the same amount of characters, each player gets vote when it comes to deciding the the governing system that will be used.

I definently agree with the others that say the government should be decided first, that is very true, and I also feel that everyone should have an equal say, with at least some OOC thought in it. Basing the government system on the characters feelings rather than players could be rather counter productive.

I hope thats fine for everyone involved. Letting each "guild" have one vote is not the way I want to do this. Thats not very fair. since certain guilds are smaller than others. Why should Umbra get the same vote as say, House Gauntlet? See my point?

Some of this will have to be done OOC, and would like to ask everyone to think about this OOCly rather than with your main character. We can then translate the action here into IC activity in game. remeber this is just to ratify a government. Once we see how this goes, then I may alter it for the open election for the nominees, since that is a very IC decision.

Once again, I will notify everyone here on these boards when I plan on opening voter registration. And I ask that you vote for yourself as a player, not for your character necessarily. If those two coincide, thats cool. As far as your main character submitting the book, thats the only way I can do this and have the playing field level.
1 player=1 vote
period.

Darrien Church · Honored Member Joined: 06 Jun 2004 Posts: 1810

I personally disagree...one vote per guild I would argue as a better system for the following reasons:

a) much easier to organize...involving less people, less things we all need to show up for, less counting and less sorting of names/verifying one character per rper policy as not all community rpers post on this board...I don't see how aside from an honor system you could be sure of the verity of the numbers.

b)eliminates the threat of stone-stacking by GMs with all their non-rper friends in an effort to gain extra votes. Also, we won't have RPers not involved for three years rising from the dead to cast a vote only to vanish again into the inactive abyss...seems too hard to police.

c) The voting would be in a public meeting, so no one could dispute the count which would be much smaller and much easier to count/prevent tampering.

d) History: I'd ask you to refer to the regency history which if memory serves lays out a system of voting that has been in place and worked for many years. Since it is a Regency election, and to my knowledge the regency never disbanded you should adhere to it's precepts if this is to be done right.

e) No OOC thought should have gotten involved in the first place, it is never more productive in a Role-Play community to manifest our wills OOC in-game.

f) No attack on you sir as I do not know you...but I have heard you are personally involved with one or more of the candidates, if one was striving for a purely unbiased vote none could throw into question all voting should be managed and counted as per your system requires by a totally uninvolved group...believe it or not such a group does exist Wink

if you like this notion PM me and I shall personally send you a lengthy list of suggested overseers for this election.

My last reason would be RP sense...having undead and people with their own kingdoms electing the Regent of British Sosaria or running for Regent seems silly to me, but we seem to have agreed to look past that for this particular issue and so...I go with the flow.

On an aside, I would be happy to assist you with anything you are working on, feel free to ask me.

-Darrien Church

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Halister Marner · **Site Programmer** Joined: 05 Oct 2006 Posts: 2232

One vote per guild is standard. Many guilds boost their ranks with alternate characters and therefor that system is not representative to a higher degree.

Inevitably people will register their alts alongside their main characters, since there is no way to police whether an alternate character or a main character signs up.

Votes should be done per guild, if not, then a voting system will not be fair.

To quote an example, the original TWP/Regency was run by votes per guild, not by amount of members.

Also, I would like to bring up a question...

We were told the candidates would have the choice on how the voting is being run, is this idea just your proposal?

If not, then I believe the system should be decided by the candidates involved to make it as unbiased as possible.
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Ceinwyn ab'Arawn · Transcendent Spammer Joined: 13 Dec 2004 Posts: 5017

I agree with the one vote per guild. Otherwise, you get suedo-rp guilds with 100+ members noone ever sees voting for their OOC friends.

Darrien sums it up, nicely.

Cear Dallben ZOG · Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:08 pm Post subject:

1 vote a guild is good. this will limit the popularity scandal. however enxt time i think we should try annonamous campainges under alias's that fit the persona of the canidate and vote on forums in the senate after many IC posts handed to mod's and posted.
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Ceinwyn ab'Arawn · Transcendent Spammer Joined: 13 Dec 2004 Posts: 5017

Perhaps it is also time to let these decisions be done by someone else, a neutral party. No offense to you, Drayden.

Drayden Calamyr · Sage Joined: 23 Feb 2005 Posts: 612

Whatever Cein. You've offended me ever since I've decided to start playing again.

It's already in the works, I'm tired of this, I've been tired of it since last week. And frankly someone else can take it from here because its obvious any credibility I might have had or been able to get was pissed into the wind by others that thought it would be cool to run their mouths and flame thus screwing up what was supposed to be something fun and entertaining to rp.

So if it will ease everyone's heart, sure someone else can take this off my hands. Anyone interested PM me please.

Tarothin Armunn · Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:56 pm Post subject:

Most of the guilds, if not all, that are involved with this have their own candidate. So unless there are other guilds planning to vote... :/

Since D|O is neither involved with this IC nor does it want to be involved with it unless it is to bring about it's downfall (so as to stop another alliance from forming that would most likely be either in their way in the future or opposed to them. Twisted Evil

) will not be voting at all.

Not an OOC thing at all. It just goes against D|O ICly RP wise.

Good luck on picking a right system.

Halister Marner · **Site Programmer** Joined: 05 Oct 2006 Posts: 2232

I would suggest Sir Robert and Cass, both are very neutral and unbiased and are regarded as such universally in this community and by Atlantic roleplayers a whole, if they are willing to take upon such a burden.
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Drayden Calamyr · Sage Joined: 23 Feb 2005 Posts: 612

Honestly, this has been a headache for me from the begining.
So if either of those two want to take over then by all means do so. Since Drayden has a BSE tag, then he will undoubtedly be viewed differently than before.
If this is to be done, we should do it in game as well as here.

I'd like to organize less. But I would still like Drayden to be part of someone's plot, just like I'd still like to RP with this community and not have to be involved with coodinating and pleasing everyone.

Teh Glouris Lrod Kujabis · Transcendent Spammer Joined: 29 Dec 2003 Posts: 5740

Been a headache for plenty others as well.

I'll not bother sharing all my thoughts here as some break the rules. I've sent out PMs for those.

My suggestion is that if you go with guilds, that they be guilds with a minimum number of members (10+?), be formed PRIOR to the making of this post, and actually be considered a roleplay guild to the majority of the roleplayers of Atlantic. Good luck getting everyone to agree on those definitions, though.

I'll say again that I think this whole thing is silly and unnecessary and just another boring meeting per week, but as usual my constructive criticism has been repeated about ten times and ignored, so I'll save myself the carpal tunnel syndrome typing it again.

Tay Thormear · Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 2:57 pm Post subject:

Drayden is BSE? Ew..

One vote per guild works best in my opinion. For the 30 reasons mentioned above. Honor systems nay work anymore. And it -isnt- fair for a guild with 30 active to vote and a guild with 5 active. It'd be like saying All of George Bush's friends could vote..but only a couple of (insert name of your yankee president nominees here..) friends could vote. Anywhooo 1 vote per guild = the way to go.

Drayden Calamyr · Sage Joined: 23 Feb 2005 Posts: 612

Theres alot involved that most don't know about as far as Dray and BSE goes. I've been uneasy about the whole thing. And judging how things have gone....I'm not happy with it at all.

I assure you, if I knew what I know now in the past couple of weeks I would have done things differently. For what its worth, I'm sorry. Please try not to lump me with them, I don't share their views or their tactics in these matters. And that shows, in posts and game.

Isk · Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:54 pm Post subject:

Some of the posts here are borderline. Please everyone express opinions without insult.

Ishtar · Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:56 pm Post subject:

Unfortunately BSE has done a lot to harass, grief etc. If you do not wish to be associated with them, perhaps avoid them.

As far as this voting thing, I want to know how a new Regent can be voted for, when the Regent is still there. He has not left, rescinded his resignation. If this is for a toltally new government, that is entirely different. Before the "voting" how about clarifying who or what you are voting on.

If you seek to replace the existing Regent without his consent, it will open a can of worms. I suggest reading the constitustion since it is posted for all on this board.
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