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Wren Hapswill · Adventurer Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 32

One of the reasons it wasn't ever made a requirement was due to a number of guilds that had a majority of members that didn't RP at all or rarely ever. These guilds often had several members that were PvPers that would KoS and dry loot anyone that was orange. So they would only war other RP guilds during special events and then drop it.

There were large guilds that spent a lot of time in fel as well and occasionaly recruited players that would play along just long enough to go on a killing spree. This was more of an issue before insurance..

There were also a number of RP guilds that used a slightly different rule-set that allowed the looting of certain items. There was often a large amount of drama when these two rule-sets crossed each other.

Umrae Hlaund · Visitor Joined: 17 Jul 2009 Posts: 18

i speak as a new person to this community thanks to my brother telling me that atl is better then eur so here i am. i will freely put my hand up that on my 2nd or thrid night i had a run in with the drow patron and stormed out, hours later i am now a member of a guild, it was either join or make one, and to be honest i didn't really think making a guild for eilistraee worship would be a good idea cause it would have been a 1 player guild so i joined mtc *shrugs*

point is you will always find the lonewolves, heck morio spent half the time unguilded on eur for being a pain in the tails all the time. you can't stop people rp'ing they pay a subscription fee for the game just like the rest of us. if it is so unrealistic ignore them no need to cause a fuss about it

Ceinwyn ab'Arawn · Transcendent Spammer Joined: 13 Dec 2004 Posts: 5017

coremon · Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:13 pm Post subject:

I'm orange to must guilds here in the community and I'll say I've been here a year and from my experience I'd say most of the rp that is done is more of blue rp then orange rpers as there rarely is conflicts and fights from my experience.

Bishimi · Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:32 pm Post subject:

Shalcross · Adventurer Joined: 25 Jun 2008 Posts: 94

I am so very confused about this post. Are we proposing a new restriction like you gotta be in a guild to official rp with us now? Or just some new randoms guild?

Honestly I think it would be ridiculous and stupid to require people to join a guild to officially rp with us. (almost as much as how ridiculous i think it is to require guilds to get voted in officially which is a whole other deal I don't want to get into.)

A guild for the misfits of Atlantic has been done before and it seemed to work out fine from what I remember.
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Bishimi · Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:33 pm Post subject:

Shalcross · Adventurer Joined: 25 Jun 2008 Posts: 94

Alaundril Do'Rhett · Seasoned Veteran Joined: 19 Oct 2007 Posts: 330

I agree with Kinn 100%. I've been around Umbra unseen enough to know all of the Guilded Blues I see. Hell, most of them are some guild I have never heard of or don't have a tag all. And judging by the lack of "named" people lately, its just natural for us to assume that these are alts that have an alterior motive. What people "might" do is irrelevant in this case. Its what people are doing that is causing problems. I couldnt agree more with Kinn on the matter that being in an unwarred blue guild in ARPC understandable. Sure. But if you're going into the pit of undead and drow that Umbra has become, then have the courtesy to send the war invite. I posted in the War room for all involved guilds to send war invites to the Syndicate. Very few complied with with that. Its crap RP to come into a city where for all reasons you should be KOSed. Especially when you come to the Drow Quarter and ask alot of nosy questions. Its a god mode, wether intentional or not it doesnt matter. For that reason, I'm strongly considering my guild to have a new policy that requires guilds that want to interact with us to be warred to :S:.

Also, all this "blue RPer" activity has started recently because of the current plot lines in Umbra. As Kinn said. There's no denying this at all. Before the Lich plot started, I swear i would only see green and orange in Umbra. But now its quite different. Its filled with people that want to get some of that. Well, in order to get in on it these people need to be willing to take risk. Sirah is warred to alot of guilds in the Comm. And almost all of the ones we interact with regularly are orange.

One thing that I will say, is that I don't expect the community to make a ruling on this case, I will make the decision for my guild. The issue here however, isnt what :S: is or isnt doing. Its what the blue guilds arent doing. Which is sending our guild war invites and doing this properly. We play spy/information gathering RP. We RP assassinations and all sorts of bad stuff. Its just common sense and plain polite to send war invites if you want to be involved with our conflict based RP. I will note the names and guilds tags I see. Being blue to us and RPing with us is one thing. Trying to hijack our plot, and essentially flicking us off and sticking out your tongue is crap RP. Period. And thats what these people are attempting to do.

And yeah, we're drow we're chaotic and if you come to our Quarter we'd like to be able to make good on our threats. Hiding beind the blue tag is lame and weak. Theres no question about why these blues are hanging around Umbra either, we watch closely enough to know that.

EDIT: The purpose of this isn't to say "If you dont RP how we want we'll kill you." Thats not the case at all. The purpose here is so that the Syndicate can act how it should in response to intruders in their home. It doesnt mean we're going to start killing everyone thats orange. Believe me, if we did that, there would be lots of complaints already. We're warred to most of the larger guilds in ARPC, and we are respectful of the rules that I agreed on when I brought us into the ARPC.

Ariana Lenoir · Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:40 am Post subject:

My two cents. Try contacting the blue guild GMs ooc and try and discuss highlighting. Yes, it makes sense for folks to be highlighted before going to start trouble with a guild, but perhaps there is a reasonable explanation for why it hasn't been done such as them simply not having the GM's ICQ. Hell, in some cases the GMs might not be aware some of their guild members are over there.

My point is, open and active communication does wonders.

Track down the GMs and talk to them ooc about it. Figure out a plan and what needs to be done to get highlighted. Take a proactive approach and see if it helps, it can't hurt if you're open to hearing any concerns they may have and realize it isn't an attack on you or your guild, just them trying to serve the people depending on them.

Disclaimer: This post in no way is meant to imply that anyone has any actual problems or concerns with your guild (i.e I haven't heard anything bad). In my opinion, 90% of guild/inter-guild problems are assumptions or folks not 'talking it out'... so simply suggesting a proactive approach. This attempt to help was presented by Ariana minus caffeine and may therefore be subject to babbling, language errors and/or common sense.
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Alaundril Do'Rhett · Seasoned Veteran Joined: 19 Oct 2007 Posts: 330

I love ya Ari, but my problem here is the fact that this has to be solved OOC rather than IC. If these people/guilds in question wanted to interact they would have sent war invites. I posted it in the senate.
Here. I'll put it this way. If your guild has been playing around in Umbra and you need to set up war invites with :S: then contact me via ICQ at: 206816883
From now on, that's the only way that Sirah will interact. With the rule of Individual Guilds thats being discussed (and doing well it seems) this shouldnt be a problem for you.
Bottom line: If you aren't orange or green then don't expect a rise out of us, we have to draw the line between crap RP, good RP and griefing. And honestly, the BS we've been dealing with could be classified as greifing.
While we like the RP and attention, it nerfs our RP for people to come to Umbra and essentially hide behind a blue tag or their alt. There are no consequences for these people and they are becoming more and more numerous in Umbra.

Jonathan Strathmore · Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:55 pm Post subject:

Everyone who is an inducted Guild of this Community should be warred to every other inducted guild. There is little excuse unless you, or the other guild in question, is new. For GM's we keep a roster in the Senate. Please refer to it, and send a war invite to all the other GM's. Also, if you receive a war invite from a "questionable" guild, the roster is in place for that matter as well, to keep you and yours safe. I don't maintain it for my health, trust me Razz

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Secondly, if you receive a war invite from someone ON the roster, it is in bad taste, yet not against the rules, to refuse that war invite UNLESS:

You are directly involved in a plot with that guild involving land disputes.

Cordially, however, there shouldn't be any reason why any RPer of this community is exempt from being subject to roleplay realism, esspecially with the creation of Ceinwyn's new guild to unite all un-bannered rpers under a solitary, inexistant banner.

If you don't have a guild, and you are an rper, please join hers. If you are a GM in this community, please war the other GM's.

Thank you.

EDIT: I just caught eye of Wren's post. I must have skimmed over it the first read through, my mistake.

ALL... that is EVERY SINGLE MEMBER of a guild in the ARPC, MUST without any exception, be there to role play primarily.

ALL MEMBERS OF ARPC GUILDS MUST BE ROLE PLAYERS. NO EXCEPTIONS.

There really is no reason not to be warred to the other ARPC accepted guilds.

Malicite · Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:17 pm Post subject:

Accountability is awesome. The game benefits from it, and I'm surprised this is an issue... If you mouth off, you should get that said mouth removed. Cein's guild is a great idea, and it should be used to the fullest extent. No offense, but, if you are the type of roleplayer who is blue and continuously causes trouble, you're not a very good roleplayer. If you are the type that wants to remain blue, then I would suggest that you alter your RP to conform to your choice.

On a side note, things back in the day were never this great. I have to admit that the community of today has made leaps and strides as far as RP goes. Most of the old heads failed in that department. You all are respectful and understand what quality RP means. I give you all five golden Malicites.
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Rags · Journeyman Joined: 11 Feb 2008 Posts: 143

Malicite · Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 4:34 pm Post subject: