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Cal Hurst · Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:32 am Post subject:

Simple enough guys. RP PvP happened. rubbish like this happens IRL all the time. It has potential to put forth some good RP.

My opinion, you're all experienced roleplayers. Take what happened, and roll the RP with it.
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Cal Hurst · Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:40 am Post subject:

I disagree there, Jon. We can't start making assertions like that. Otherwise I'm going to start asking people who wear platemail to hit themselves for extra damage when I cast lightning bolt on them.

Hiding works like it does now, for whatever crappy reason it does, but it does. We cannot, nor will I ever be in favor of, requiring people to limit the use of a skill they have spent 100 points into it, when it's the only thing the skill does.
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Shalcross · Adventurer Joined: 25 Jun 2008 Posts: 94

Vian Skyfire · Adventurer Joined: 04 Jan 2009 Posts: 48

The hiding rules in the game are not perfect. But, with them as they are, I see no problem "clearing" the area as you must to have a secure meeting. Hell for alot of people, it would bad rp NOT to.

Edda · Certifiable Joined: 20 Jan 2009 Posts: 1586 Location: US

When we hide and stealth we step into the shadows. You'd have to be a ninja to understand. Rolling Eyes

I'm kind of glad I got pissed at myself for accidentally revealing and left for bed before the fight even happened. Because clearly.. bah.... nvm..I'll never understand why BL is the only guild who can handle a little bit of fighting.

Thraxas · Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:56 am Post subject:

The wiki gives some good directions on that and suggests what Jon has stated here. I guess we have to decide which we prefer to use, IG mechanics or what makes for RL and common sense. I can see where there should be some kind of logical explanation for how a person can be looked right through standing in the open within two feet of someone else who has an unobstructed view and infravision (like drow have). Edda's shadows idea is good for most cases I suppose. Perhaps it is best just to assume that the natural laws of Sosaria differ from ours in that way to allow for such things, and that may be what Cal is suggesting.
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Edda · Certifiable Joined: 20 Jan 2009 Posts: 1586 Location: US

Well I think you missed the part where they killed him immediately after he threw it.. hahaha

Alaundril Do'Rhett · Seasoned Veteran Joined: 19 Oct 2007 Posts: 330

Merci d'Rue · Babbling Loony Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 2810

You know what I see here is a huge difference of opinion, and a communication breakdown. I honestly think both your guilds are great. Yet people will never get along perfectly incidences like this will happen. Honestly this isnt worth breaking up friendships over. It was a small skirmish that went awry.

Your two guilds have been rping skirmishes and having issues with each other for a while now so it is not any huge surprise that both parties were on edge, that a mistake was made and war broke out.

You know I am not a rezkiller but I have been accused of it? Little old me? Just because of a misunderstanding, because someone rezzed and ran back to their body while I was holy lighting someone else? It was a huge ordeal once.. and I felt terrible cause thats not my intent. Since then rules have been put in place about running onto the battle feild to get your body ect. But still, its the sort of thing that can happen. A misunderstanding. Another time this person kept reappearing that I thought I had killed. So I kept killing that person over and over thinking they were slipping in and out of stealth or invis or something.
Sadly no, they were just getting rezzed and in the heat of battle with tons of stuff going off around me I was mistaken, of course this was before the other rule for grey robes. Had she had a grey robe on I would have known. What I am trying to make you all see is that misunderstandings happen.

Sometimes things happen to fast for an icq, I mean seriously once the conflag was thrown I myself would of made the mistake and started attacking. Do I think when the stealthers were running around and you were confused as to why BL was doing this you should of ICQ'd them and said-so whats the deal? I would of, if we were there for a peaceful meeting and stuff was putting me on edge and seeming odd I would of icqd you till your ears bled. *grins*

So again I think that this should be called an *incident* and every body should look at my name that I have been bestowed with and laugh. Cause I really did accidently ask for that name and am paying my penance. Laughing at me would feel much better right now then anger...
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Alaundril Do'Rhett · Seasoned Veteran Joined: 19 Oct 2007 Posts: 330

The problem here Merci is that there was next to no communication. I didnt even know that they were there to meet with Kal until we revealed them. Which, they werent revealed by a conflag from what I have gathered. They were revealed by our mages. There was RP and talk going on between Kal and the Empress. I had no reason to think that a fight would start, else Drayden would have stayed there to protect his matron. I am being 100% honest here when I say that the conflag toss wasn't ordered by Kal, and it was a complete surprise to everyone there. From what I've been told. He tossed the conflag in an area that was mostly not occupied by BL in order to reveal any more hiddens that were around.

Its a misunderstanding, yes. But I wasnt on edge. I wasnt looking for a fight last night. I had other more important RP going on and it was happenstance that I was in Umbra when this went down. In my opinion, the ones that are imposing on someone's territory(BL) are the ones responsible for at least giving a heads up so people dont make mistakes like this. Yeah I know, Q^A threw the conflag yadda yadda. But i think what is infuriating some of us about this is that it seemed to come out of no where. It would have been polite for Bish to not necessarily tell the GM everything. But a simple heads up would have been nice. If you guys try to communicate better then we won't accidentally toss Conflags around to reveal.

Lesson learned there. Theres no arguing that. But how can you justify coming to a peaceful meeting with basically your entire guild there in stealth. And thats the main point here. If BL had openly walked into Umbra then things may have gone differently. But you guys didnt, you were sneaking around like you were casing us out. So I cant really say that I blame our member for using a conflag.
Logically, if we wanted to attack you we would have done it when we spotted your people around Umbra and a fight would have broken out. But we didnt. I suppose that we were waiting for the guild that had us out numbered/outgunned to all be right in front of the Tavern so we could start the fight then. With all our people in plain sight. Rather than the proper Drow way while you guys were scattered and doing whatever you planned on doing with your guild stealthed all over our territory. Thats just ludicrous to think that we had any intention of starting a fight and that the tossed conflag was anything else than a mistake. And I think it was a horrible call to kill everyone there as their jaws were dropping in shock with what was happening. And yeah, ya killed The Boss who was -supposed- to be surrending to you.
Sorry, but to me I would have paused for a second rather than just giving the attack dogs the order they wanted from the beginning. It doesnt make much sense for Kal to send Drayden away to honor the agreement that the two guilds have made, just to have someone "attack" with a conflag and jack it all up. No one questioned it at all. It was all "attack and kill". No one waited for anything to happen after the conflag was thrown, none of our people we're even prepared to fight and hardly any of them fought back. but you still think we wanted to attack you?
I'm not saying that Lotus is wrong at all. But they definitely jumped the gun way too fast. I didnt see any more attacking on our part beyond that conflag. I'm just saying that 3/4 of us were in the dark on wtf was going on. We were there to progress a storyline. Not pvp. in an OOC sense, what happened last night makes absolutely no sense for our guild to do. Why would be do that????? We were seriously interested in mending things up IC and OOC. And there was never once any talk about attacking you guys at all. Yet the moment that the matron sends off for the guy you want, we would attack you??? And we'd just throw a conflag and stand there and watch. Right.

It was an honest mistake. Lesson learned, and it won't be repeated unless its seriously to start a fight. We'll also follow the same rule.
At the same time. Bish, next time can you at least tell us that you're coming to progress a plot that essentially all of Q^A is tied into so that we can tell people ahead of time? There were many brash decisions made last night on both sides and I dont want this melting down our RP.

EDIT: Need I remind people that when BL KOSed Nalimar not teribly long ago that we "rolled with that" too. And Merci, this wasnt even supposed to be a skirmish at all. Thats what makes it frustrating.

Bishimi · Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:44 pm Post subject:

Merci d'Rue · Babbling Loony Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 2810

Well I dont know the situation with Nalimar and the KOSING, I know how easy it is to make a mistake and something look like that but who knows. I wont comment since I dont know.

All I know is I think both sides have valid points, and in the interest of rp its best that the situation be dealt with rply. Which I know you guys will do.

We move on and we all learn a lesson!

Again I think your both excellent guilds with good rpers on both sides just sometimes things happen like this. So lol I guess theres no peace treaty between the drow and blue lotus again...

*grins* I think thats safe to assume lol. Now i have said my peace I swear I will say no more. *grins*
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Edda · Certifiable Joined: 20 Jan 2009 Posts: 1586 Location: US

"But how can you justify coming to a peaceful meeting with basically your entire guild there in stealth. And thats the main point here. If BL had openly walked into Umbra then things may have gone differently. But you guys didnt, you were sneaking around like you were casing us out"

We
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ninjas

Alaundril Do'Rhett · Seasoned Veteran Joined: 19 Oct 2007 Posts: 330

Can a Mod please lock this? This is getting off topic and doing nothing to solve the problem at hand.

And another thought. Yeah you're ninjas, but hiding in people's territory says you have something besides peace on your mind. If we were coming to Zento we would be in plain sight under a flag of truce. If you all were there for peaceful reasons it doesnt look that way when your entire guild is stealthed. Also there wasnt any warning about this to begin with. (dare I repeat myself?) We're drow and yea a hell of alot of us stealth too. So the "We're ninjas" is a crappy cop out. courtesy is courtesy. You dont send your entire group to The Drow Quarter in stealth mode for peaceful reasons. And if you did, then we dont take things like that peacefully. We're drow.