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NightShade · Lore Master Joined: 11 Nov 2005 Posts: 1152

How proactive of you Cal *grins* this really just comes down to difference of opinion. When I rp a stealther I will always try to have an object around to rp behind. If I am a shadow walker there has to be something that creates shadows.

However, that is not to say that your opinion is wrong or mine. Just a preference really. I accept that there are entitys that can hide in plain view. Wraiths, Shadow walkers and I will even agree that perhaps Ninja have a skill I dont know about that allows this. It seems feasible. I am just going to say a normal human probalby doesnt, however this is my preference only.

It does not force anyone to follow it or do it. You are welcome to disagree and do it your way, hence the beauty of rp. I will respect and acknowledge you regardless of our opinion differences.

Heck there is tons of literature on vampires, lycans, wraiths, rping all sorts of things. Do I agree with every bit no, some of it is good some I dont care for but it doesnt mean I am right or they are wrong.
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NightShade · Lore Master Joined: 11 Nov 2005 Posts: 1152

I just want to say its so great to see we can have open adult discussions on these forums that we all listen to each other and share ideas.

It makes me very happy.
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Cal Hurst · Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:52 pm Post subject:

In a DnD setting I completely agree with you, hiding would need some sort of shadow to hide behind.

My reasoning for not following that here, however, is that hiding is a "skill" in DnD, and not a "class." Those of you who know the DnD system will undoubtedly understand this better than someone else. In DnD, you don't take 10 levels of "hiding," you take 10 levels of a class. In that class, you can allocate skill points into hiding if you so choose. You definitely don't have to choose between hiding and 9th level spells.
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Ceinwyn ab'Arawn · Transcendent Spammer Joined: 13 Dec 2004 Posts: 5017

I think if you use the search option at the top of the forum you will find all the same arguments from the last five times we've had it. I'm not trying to be a nay-sayer, just a realist. No one will ever agree 100% either way on this topic. You will get another five pages of people giving examples and arguments, but in the end, that is all it is.

Cal, half the community agrees with you and half agrees with the other viewpoint. I think I just summed it up, can we all hug and sing, now?

Cal Hurst · Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:58 pm Post subject:

It's a healthy discussion. No need to put a knife in the throat of a discussion that won't turn ugly. Knife it if it does. There are fresh blood here that haven't been in on the discussion that might like to chime in. Just because a discussion has been had before, doesn't mean we can't have it again, especially when, as I said, it doesn't turn ugly.
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TayM'real · Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:03 pm Post subject:

i would equate hiding to being inside your house and able to see x number of tiles outside based on your game window...

it's a skill..it's useful and people have a means to 'sniff' out people who use it....it's not ghostcaming at least.

if you rule-out hiding in the open - is stealth going to go away entirely since technically people can't walk around invisible?

there has to be some lean to allow for multiple player types
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Sindreline · Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:06 pm Post subject:

Ghillie suit

End of discussion

Ceinwyn ab'Arawn · Transcendent Spammer Joined: 13 Dec 2004 Posts: 5017

Okay.

It adds to RP if you hide with "flair". It's not mandatory, of course. But it gives it a fuller flavor if you go the whole nine yards and "Becomes enveloped in a cloud of smoke" and then disappear, as opposed to winking out into nothing with no flavor text at all for others to read.

If only it were a little more like fel, where you can touch the invisible person, actually -poke- them and make it squirm a bit, to get an idea where they are hiding. For some reason body mass in trammel is different to body mass in fel, it is less substantial. That also leads me to wonder if food is less filling for feluccians if they try to eat trammel food... but I digress.

If you only have hiding and no stealth, you are stuck where you hid(likewise if you cast invis or drink an invis pot). Are you going to ignore people jabbing the once-occupied space (to their perception) with that sharp pitchfork? Or will you reveal, trickling blood and other bodily fluids?

In the end, I guess you can argue both very well put perspectives. It all comes down to -how- it is done. Why not make it enjoyable for all?

Cal Hurst · Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:14 pm Post subject:

Agreed. The fel-ruleset, overall, is more conducive to RP in most, if not all factors. Hiding is one of the examples of such.
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TayM'real · Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:23 pm Post subject:

Ceinwyn ab'Arawn · Transcendent Spammer Joined: 13 Dec 2004 Posts: 5017

Jonathan Strathmore · Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:34 pm Post subject:

I think, ultimately, Ken, it all comes down to personal preference. I prefer to accompany my hiding skill with realism. While it irks me when others do not, unless they have role play backing that, I am not going to chastise them for their decision or make a move to ammend the rules to include perfect realism to some skills.

It's just what I prefer personally.

Also yes, ghillie suit, then you're straight to hide anywhere. Those things never stop working.

Cal Hurst · Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:37 pm Post subject:

NightShade · Lore Master Joined: 11 Nov 2005 Posts: 1152

The name is derived from the Gaelic word for Servant, thats hot, you all should get one and be my Ghillies
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